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« on: August 17, 2009, 12:32:52 PM »

Well this just keeps getting more and more interesting...


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TEGUCIGALPA, Honduras — The U.S. military said Sunday its troops in Honduras did not know of and played no role in a flight that took ousted President Manuel Zelaya to exile during a military coup.

Zelaya says the Honduran military plane that flew him to Costa Rica on June 28 stopped to refuel at Soto Cano, a Honduran air base that is home to 600 U.S. soldiers, sailors and airmen engaged in counter-narcotics operations and other missions in Central America.

U.S. forces at Soto Cano “were not involved in the flight that carried President Zelaya to Costa Rica on June 28,” Southern Command spokesman Robert Appin said in an e-mail to The Associated Press. The American troops “had no knowledge or part in the decisions made for the plane to land, refuel and take off.”

Appin said the U.S. troops at Soto Cano have stopped conducting exercises with the Honduran military since the coup.

“The U.S. military recognizes that the situation must be resolved by Hondurans and their democratic institutions in accordance with the rule of law,” he said.

The administration of President Barack Obama has cut off millions of dollars in military and development aid to Honduras in an effort to pressure for Zelaya’s reinstatement. It has stopped short of imposing trade sanctions that could cripple the Honduran economy, which is highly dependent on exports to the United States.

Zelaya, a wealthy rancher who aligned himself with leftist Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez during his presidency, has increasingly voiced frustration with Washington for failing to impose tougher penalties.

During a visit to Brazil last week, Zelaya spoke of the stop at Soto Cano, also known as Palmerola, and voiced suspicions of U.S. complicity in the coup — although he stressed that he did not believe the highest levels of the Obama administration were involved.

“The Obama administration has been firm in condemning the coup and demanding my restitution. I do not see reasons to believe that the Obama administration has two faces,” Zelaya said.

“Now, there are some elements of the CIA that could have been involved. When they took me by plane to Costa Rica, it was a short flight but the plane made a stop at the Palmerola air base to refuel,” he added. “Palmerola is a base administered by Honduran and U.S. troops. If it was a short flight, some 40 minutes, why did they have to refuel at Palmerola base?”

Patricia Valle, who served as Zelaya’s deputy foreign minister, reiterated those suspicions Saturday, although she gave no evidence that American personnel at the base interacted with the Honduran military officials on the plane or that they even knew Zelaya was there. She said Zelaya stayed on the plane during the stop.

“Zelaya was taken to Palmerola,” Valle told AP. “The United States was involved in the coup against Zelaya.”

In Washington, State Department spokesman Fred Lash said in response to the claim that “the Soto Cano Airbase in Honduras is a Honduran military base under the control of the Honduran military authorities. The United States was not informed in advance of the use of the Soto Cano Airbase as a refueling stop for the aircraft that transported President Zelaya into exile.”

Palmerola was used by the United States during the Central American civil wars of the 1980s.

The government of interim President Roberto Micheletti is trying to withstand international pressure to restore Zelaya before a Nov. 29 presidential election. It insists Zelaya was legally removed from office after violating court orders to call off a referendum asking voters whether they would support rewriting the constitution.

Micheletti voiced his own anger over Washington’s stance on the coup, saying he hoped U.S. Ambassador Hugo Llorens would not return to Honduras from a trip abroad. The U.S. Embassy has said Llorens left Honduras temporarily for personal reasons and has not been withdrawn from his post.

“I understand he is on vacation, so I hope he doesn’t come back,” Micheletti said Saturday during a meeting with more than 3,000 army reservists in the northern city of San Pedro Sula.

Meanwhile, representatives of Micheletti planned to return to Washington on Monday to meet with U.S. politicians to present the interim government’s case for itself. The group met the week last with the secretary-general of the Organization of American States, Jose Miguel Insulza.

Link: http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2009/08/ap_us_military_honduras_081609/

(Sorry for posting such a lengthy article in its entirety, but I didn't think a single paragraph in this wasn't relevant.)

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« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2009, 04:13:34 PM »


I wish the administration would stop acting like we don't have a dog in this fight.  there is no way that it is in our national interest to have another chavez in power in south america, even if it is in a relatively geopolitically insignificant country.

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« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2009, 10:24:23 AM »

Well, I'm sure we haven't heard the last of this story.  Some things from this article that jumped out at me:

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“The Obama administration has been firm in condemning the coup and demanding my restitution. I do not see reasons to believe that the Obama administration has two faces,” Zelaya said.

“Now, there are some elements of the CIA that could have been involved. When they took me by plane to Costa Rica, it was a short flight but the plane made a stop at the Palmerola air base to refuel,” he added. “Palmerola is a base administered by Honduran and U.S. troops. If it was a short flight, some 40 minutes, why did they have to refuel at Palmerola base?”

Okay, MAYBE it's a little suspicious that they stopped for gas on a 40-minute flight, but there could be lots of reasons.  I doubt that the CIA had any "overt covert" participation in the coup, given the fact that historically, we haven't been very good at staging coups in this region without the heat coming back on us.  Then again, the way these drama-queen leftist leaders are out here, it's inevitable that anything bad that happens to them or their country is automatically going to be blamed on the U.S., so either way the U.S. is gonna take heat for these kind of things...so maybe I'm wrong.

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Patricia Valle, who served as Zelaya’s deputy foreign minister, reiterated those suspicions Saturday, although she gave no evidence that American personnel at the base interacted with the Honduran military officials on the plane or that they even knew Zelaya was there. She said Zelaya stayed on the plane during the stop.

“Zelaya was taken to Palmerola,” Valle told AP. “The United States was involved in the coup against Zelaya.”

Oh, well that answers THAT question.  You know, considering she was the FOREIGN MINISTER to this guy, and Obama has become one of his strongest (if not most unlikely) allies, you would think Valle would hold her tongue a little more.  But, if there's one thing I've learned about Latin American politics, it's that these people can go as far as referring to the leader of the free world as the devil himself, and we continue to pour billions of dollars into this region via humanitarian aid and oil purchases, and in Obama's case, it seems that once he's already turned the other cheek, he turns around and gives them two more to slap.

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Micheletti voiced his own anger over Washington’s stance on the coup, saying he hoped U.S. Ambassador Hugo Llorens would not return to Honduras from a trip abroad. The U.S. Embassy has said Llorens left Honduras temporarily for personal reasons and has not been withdrawn from his post.

“I understand he is on vacation, so I hope he doesn’t come back,” Micheletti said Saturday during a meeting with more than 3,000 army reservists in the northern city of San Pedro Sula.

Okay, THIS was the only part of the article that did surprise me.  If the USG won't recognize the new government and is demanding the
 reinstatement of Zelaya as a precondition to a return to normal relations, why WOULDN'T we pull our ambassador?  This "personal reasons" thing is a little sketchy, and a helluva time for the ambassador to be taking a vacation.  I dunno, if actions really do speak louder than words, all ours are saying is that we are really wishy-washy on the whole situation.
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